Being a Myers-Briggs T vs. F Woman

Thinking Woman 2No matter how modern our world becomes, being a Thinker (T in the Myers-Briggs) vs. an F (Feelings in the MB) woman is difficult. My local teacher Stephen Weed, stated it best when he told me that “Men are not allowed to be F’s and Women are not allowed to be T’s.” We were talking about the corporate world and why my being an ESTJ (which is the MB acronym for corporate America) didn’t bode very well there. However, I have found that it doesn’t sit well at all, whether at work or play. Since studying the Myers-Briggs, with both Stephen and his mother, I have begun realizing that many of the women amongst my clientele are also T’s. I have begun to open a dialogue about this, with them. It is hard to find a man, it is hard to find female friends (unless they too are T’s). Long ago I myself used to say that I did better with male friends than female. I now understand why, because I am not an F. The typical woman is into baby/wedding showers, shopping, painting their nails, overdrawing their checking account, you know the one. I am being funny here by stereotyping but I know many women, who are “F’s” would say “What’s wrong with that?” And there isn’t unless you are a T and just don’t get into these things. Now, when I hear female clients or friends saying they too seem to get along better with male friends, I know they are a T.”

Here’s a quick lesson from the Myers & Briggs Foundation website, to give you a better understanding, if you haven’t taken your test yet!

Thinking (T)

When I make a decision, I like to find the basic truth or principle to be applied, regardless of the specific situation involved. I like to analyze pros and cons, and then be consistent and logical in deciding. I try to be impersonal, so I won’t let my personal wishes–or other people’s wishes–influence me.

The following statements generally apply to me:

  • I enjoy technical and scientific fields where logic is important.
  • I notice inconsistencies.
  • I look for logical explanations or solutions to most everything.
  • I make decisions with my head and want to be fair.
  • I believe telling the truth is more important than being tactful.
  • Sometimes I miss or don’t value the “people” part of a situation.
  • I can be seen as too task-oriented, uncaring, or indifferent.

Feeling (F)

I believe I can make the best decisions by weighing what people care about and the points-of-view of persons involved in a situation. I am concerned with values and what is the best for the people involved. I like to do whatever will establish or maintain harmony. In my relationships, I appear caring, warm, and tactful.

The following statements generally apply to me:

  • I have a people or communications orientation.
  • I am concerned with harmony and nervous when it is missing.
  • I look for what is important to others and express concern for others.
  • I make decisions with my heart and want to be compassionate.
  • I believe being tactful is more important than telling the “cold” truth.
  • Sometimes I miss seeing or communicating the “hard truth” of situations.
  • I am sometimes experienced by others as too idealistic, mushy, or indirect.

Adapted from Looking at Type: The Fundamentals by Charles R. Martin (CAPT 1997)

By now, you probably have figured out whether you are a T or an F woman (or man). The workplace goes without saying. Women aren’t supposed to think. We are meant to be in Human Resources, Secretaries, Administrative Assistants, or Assistant to someone, the one taking care of people. I have been in all of these positions at one point in my life, prior to getting my master’s in psychology. When I was reviewed by my boss, the VP of Store Planning at the now defunct May Company (circa 1988), he told me that he couldn’t help me transfer into the buyer’s department (even though I had my degree in Fashion Merchandising from FIDM) because he didn’t know anyone there. He told me my best option was to take shorthand and try and become the Secretary to the President. He actually was very good friends with the head buyer for one of the departments, though this goes without saying – he was a VP. The only step up from here was President. My best friend, who ironically is an F, was paid off by the same company because she was starting to have a family. She was an architect but enjoyed the money and then went on to be a teacher for Special Needs kids. There are tons of other stories I could share, from other companies but they haven’t gone out of business yet.

With men, they are often threatened by a “T.” In today’s generation they are happy for the woman to do the thinking, work so they can sit at home and play video games, clean the house, and mow the lawn, while they continue to play video games. In my generation, well, now they are looking for younger women who are vulnerable and need a daddy to watch over them. It isn’t hopeless though. I have known a number of intellectual men who preferred someone they could actually have a conversation with. Not the narcissistic men, I have mentioned on here before, they are “the best” so they don’t need an equal. Instead, a mentally healthy man who is looking for a woman who is bright, articulate, interesting, strong, and has it together. Not all men want a woman who is like the one I described above, or an F, in general.

The problem is that we “T’s” tend to be impatient. We watch all our “F” counterparts getting married and having kids. This is because they are more compassionate of the men they marry. Thinking women don’t put up with a heck of a lot. We are more likely to say “Hasta la vista!” Thinking women just don’t have patience for men who sit around playing video games, are narcissistic, want you to put up with their bad habits, want you to mold your life around theirs, etc… We are women who are career minded, own our own homes, have stock, but best of all, we can solve our own problems. Of course, this doesn’t mean we haven’t stuck it out for too long with someone who we should have broken up with the first day we met them. Trust your instincts ladies! That is because, since we are women, we are held to stereotypes and, at a young age, find that family and peer pressure can be difficult to overcome, as you begin your path into adult world. As you get older, you will find that you are more comfortable being a T, and while you wouldn’t mind finding someone to share your life with, realize it is better to be alone than putting up with. My mother complains that my expectations are too high. It is funny to hear for a Thinker. I can’t imagine not having any expectations at all. I can’t imagine settling either. Does it mean we are more often alone than not. Yep. C’est la vie!

I was thinking it might be interesting to have a dating website that is geared toward a Thinking woman. It certainly would help to weed out all the “My friend’s think I am…” The guys would need to take a questionnaire though, in order to pay for membership. Just in case they got the wrong idea and thought this was a dominatrix website. It is not. We want men who are equals, not men we can control. We want educated men who have careers. It isn’t about having a sense of humor but being able to watch a foreign movie and talk about it at length afterward. Sure we like to walk on the beach, but not to stare at the ocean and take selfies. Instead, we think about what is on the other side, what will our future hold, what type of ship is that in the distance, and other interesting things. Going to dinner means you ought to know the meaning of gastronomic delights. We aren’t going to settle for Ponderosa Steak House, which has now become some other dorky franchise. Food is another discussion that you have with the owner of the restaurant. How long has he/she been in business? The salmon crusted potato dish is out of this world, how is it made?  My pet peeve is self-serve food. Who wants to touch something, someone else has touched? Ewwww!! Remember, not everyone washes their hands.

For me, bed and breakfasts are the top of the line when it comes to travelling. I have met some wonderful people this way. I can’t imagine sitting in a hotel where no one knows my name. That might bode well for introverts, who want to hide away in their room with their meal. Not me. What great conversations you can have. You learn about the best restaurants, places to go, neat hiking trails, etc… A couple of times, since I often travel alone, I have attended these places with the owners. Guys who go to B&B’s with you have to really appreciate history, quality, and not trying to save a buck on a budget hotel. As you can see, this type of guy really needs to be conscious of what he is getting into with a Thinking woman. We aren’t high maintenance, just intelligent people who have thought things through. We have boundaries that have been created by growing up and learning from our mistakes.

It won’t be the same for every Thinking woman; I am just giving some personal suggestions here and having some fun with it too. I empathize with my “people” and how sad they feel, especially the younger ones dealing with this generation. The older ones are often new into the world, on the heels of a divorce and starting over. It can be a little scary when you have started out life playing to the mother, your religion, or a narcissistic husband and get stuck in a marriage that drains you. I like to help these Thinking ladies because once I validate their concerns and give them permission to tell me what they have always dreamed of doing, they begin to open up and get re-acquainted with the woman they had once wanted to be. Then they tell me “Hasta la vista!” but in a good way. It doesn’t really take them that long once they realize it is okay. That is due to the fact that they go home after session and do their homework, take time to think about what I said, and put it into practice.

Be kind to us Thinking women. We are movers and shakers! Think of Artemis and Athena, or in modern day (real) society think of Catherine the Great, Gloria Steinem, Michelle Bachelet, Emma Watson, Charlize Theron, Jodie Foster, Margaret Thatcher, Condolezza Rice, and Madeline Albright. I don’t know if they are all Thinking women with Myers-Briggs, but I suspect the majority of them are. Some of these women have had lots of difficulties with men too. It is not that we are trouble makers with men; it is just that we are expected to be these Feelings women and some men don’t know what to do with us. This isn’t a world where it is okay to Think if you are a woman. At the end of the day, we have feelings too.

Growing Up With a Narcissist

Remember back when you were young. Did you often feel as if you were to blame for everything? Was one sibling revered over you (usually this might be the male child)? Did you try to assert your opinions only to see them turned aside with a phrase similar to “What do you know anyway?” Or at times you might hear “It’s always about you isn’t it?” Did you then and do you now feel as if you are desperately trying to get your parents approval for the decisions you make in life, yet never seem to do anything right? It is very possible that you grew up with a Narcissistic Parent.

My original blog article, The Child of the Narcissist was published in 2011 and today has more than 10,000 readers from around the world – and still counting. I published a part two about a month ago and then just recently put together a CD: The Child of the Narcissist – Guided Meditations for Healing. This CD is available on CreateSpace for only $10.99 a great deal for someone looking for something to utilize as an adjunct to therapy.

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A Narcissistic Parent robs a young person of their childhood and then makes life difficult when they try to become a parent themselves. It is emotional abuse that you will suffer your entire life until you take your power back, as an adult. A child of a narcissist has a difficult time individuating from the parent and growing up into an adult. How can you when they are continuously keeping you down? If you also suffered physical and sexual trauma from this parent, it is even more difficult to go out into the world and try your best to be a successful person. The tragedy is that as a child of a narcissist, as long as they hold you emotionally hostage, you continue to seek their approval which you will never get.  How do I know all these things? I am not just a psychotherapist but a survivor as well. I took my power back and write about this now on my website jkvegh.com

The Meditations which I recently published on CD through CreateSpace (and soon to come on Amazon) came about as I began to search for a different way to approach clients in the healing process. I am a great believer in  meditation  and will share this with clients. Then one day I sat down and wrote a script for different meditations that might help a person who was a victim of parental narcissism. Having meditated myself for over 30 years, I used my knowledge of guided meditations from Jon Kabat-Zinn and Shakti Gawain and thought about what someone might need to hear as a child of a narcissist.

This is meant to be an adjunct to therapy because, as a professional, I know doing the CD alone will not be enough. You can’t just self-heal with a series of meditations.  Your voice has been blocked and you need to talk and be validated. Make sure you have a therapist whom you are beginning to do work with and have discussed your mother or father with. Of course this might also include other family members too. Whomever you were raised by and considered a parent.

After you listen and participate in the meditations, make sure you have pen/pencil and paper available to do stream of consciousness writing. This is so beneficial to the process as well. A lot will come up for you and you want to jot this down and then share it with your therapist.

Many things are written about Narcissism and there are even many wonderful movies which highlight this topic as well. These are great resources to utilize. However, the most powerful process in healing from Narcissism is transforming from child to adult in therapy. Now I am offering you this really great CD which has different tracks focusing first on the mind – holistic, than on the body – somatic, and finally, on the spirit – transpersonal.  Taking your power back from the perpetrator will allow you to have the life you have been holding yourself back from all these years. You deserve it!

Mindful Parenting – Eliminate the electronics

There are only two lasting bequests we can hope to give our children. One of these is roots, the other, wings. Goethe

I went to Hoover Dam today (in Columbus, OH) and was absolutely amazed to see every single person on the bridge with a cell phone in their hand and their heads down. It was a beautiful day of mid-high 80’s and a crisp breeze was reaching out to us from the exploding water down below. In the horizon to the right were deciduous trees commanding attention for over 200 years or more. To the left the river flowing by with a few scant boaters in the midst. Many unoccupied boats sat docked rather than utilized.   As I walked by these people, no one said hello or even noticed that I existed. A man and his son, heads bent down walking, oblivious to the fact that other humans existed. They are discussing something of importance, probably a game they are playing via a smart phone. A bunch of teens were crowded around the building that houses the engineers and they were all gabbing about, looking down at their smart phones – rather than facing each other like men. A bunch of adults who were clearly together sit under the observation deck on the opposite side of the bridge, every single one of them heads down poking very quickly on their mini keyboards. A woman rode by on a beachcomber, right hand clutched to her ear gossiping about life, left hand on the handlebar. Others walk by had head phones on and were staring straight ahead like a zombie.

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I feel so bad for these children who’s parents deprive them of nature’s beauty. Who have no ability to set boundaries for themselves, let alone are teaching their children to have no boundaries and to just ignore the world. Parenting like this is neglecting human connection and is creating isolation. No holding hands, no rides on dads shoulders, no talking about the boats and dam and what it is there for. It is not just here that I have noticed this and I am sure you have too. In restaurants families have their heads bent down over IPads. In cars, parents are on their phones rather than focusing on the road, with kids in the back watching videos. Parents are not attaching to their children, they are teaching them to detach from life. The violence level in this world is to such extremes as we have never seen before, in modern times and the stories we hear about the perpetrators are people who have been neglected in life on some level.

What is our future to be like if we are all walking around with our heads down ignoring life around us?

The Emperor’s New Clothes

In our current hedonistic society so many people are walking around dressed or acting without a sense of moral obligation, rules, etiquette and so it reminds me of “The Emperor’s New Clothes” by Hans Christian Anderson written in 1837. emporerThe people who choose to continue dressing professionally or behaving with a sense of concern or awareness of others have also chosen to be the ones who walk by the Emperor and say nothing. Sure, we roll our eyes, we talk behind their backs, we stare, we shake our head but we don’t really do anything. So it continues.

At one point in our lives fashion was something of legendary artists. We had

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Now we have this:

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We are an oversexualized culture, and when you dress in this way, it makes a statement about your lack of self-respect. The way you dress is the way you act. If you don’t care how you look, you don’t care about your self or others in society. But what about our actions? Boys are raping drunk girls, who are passed out at parties. Would they have sex with dead girls too if their panties were down? Girls are out at night, at college campuses, dressed with skirts up to their bums and no panties on. They have heels so high, well, what would you be thinking I was talking about if I had not mentioned college campuses? This is what I think too. An era where women are supposed to be at the height of feminism and instead of embracing their rights they are taking advantage of this moment. They are saying “I can dress however I want.” Those of us who are older understand that you can’t. This is why we have rules in society. Ways of behaving.

We have boys and girls driving down the street in all neighborhoods, blaring their stereos from their cars so that you can hear them for 1/2 mile. This takes away the peacefulness of an area, it is threatening music, it is anti-social behavior because in many states it is against the law. It says to people that you don’t care about other people’s feelings and you only consider yourself.

We also have:

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How can we expect to live in a society where no one is paying attention to the other? Where everyone is doing whatever they feel like? Parents aren’t raising their children, husbands are avoiding their wives – or vice versa, no one is listening. Why should we have to be told in a movie theater to turn off our phones? Why should a corporation have to tell its employees they need to turn off all devices during meetings? Why have we had to create babysitter laws to teach adults (and teens) how to behave or drive in public?

Hormones injected in foods and/or overly medicated people have caused an onslaught of obesity that has devastated our population. Perhaps though, they are just stuffing their faces so full to self-soothe in our hedonistic society. Restaurants have been serving sizes three times the amount we would normally eat at home. We can have whatever we want, do whatever we want, screw whomever we want. It’s “my” life, I can do what I want.

Meanwhile, some people are so far out of control they pick up a gun and shoot. Hedonistic, Narcissistic, Psychopathic thinking people – Hell, we used to be afraid of “gangsta” wannabe’s and now we are afraid of terrorist wannabe’s. When was the last time you even heard of a gang related shooting? Well, you probably have only heard this if you live in Oakland, LA, Boston, D.C., Detroit, or one of those other great big cities that are a hub for prostitution, drugs, gangs, guns and the like. Little towns, big towns, who knows where the next terrorist act is going to occur? This is America, we can do whatever we want, think as we wish, dress how we feel and who gives a Shit about anyone’s feelings. Right?

We all know this is happening right now. So why are we sitting back and watching The Emperor walking by naked and applauding him for his beautiful way of being? It is not politically correct to speak out without being called names. We hide behind social media and when someone does dare to say anything, they are blocked, unliked, blasted around the Internet with scathing opinions against them and lots of comments saying “Yes, down with the idiot who dared to say this is wrong.” What grade are we in?

Did you know that many young girls are CHOOSING to not use birth control right now? That the new way of creating domestic abuse is for a young boy to move in with a girl who is working so he doesn’t have to? Not only is there emotional abuse going on but also financial abuse. Then, when she is not using birth control, well, we all no what this scenario is creating.

WTF, our ancestors would be saying in our new slang social media language, if they could rise from their graves and look around them. WTF has happened to my grandchildren and my great grandchildren? This is not what I taught my children to pass down to theirs. This is not what I came to this country for, or what I worked my whole life to provide for them for. It is not why I built this house, started this farm/business, it is not the values I hoped they would pass down.

And yet, here we are. Most kids could care less about their elders, they are just a bunch of old fools anyway. Their parents didn’t teach them to respect these wise ones as they were too busy keeping them up with the Jones kids. If both parents were even involved.

Our society has gone to hell in a handbasket as the old saying goes. It is going nowhere fast. We are multiplying like a bunch of irresponsible rabbits. We need a miracle to get back on track. Who knows what that is going to look like, what it is going to take, how we will ever get back to where we once were. And immediately, someone will read the last line and say “It was never better before.” But it was. Perhaps we did make some mistakes but as I always try to mention to people, your parents may have beat the crap out of you but if you take away the abuse and think only of the values that were meant to be taught – this is the part you should have remembered if you were going to learn anything. Since time began we made mistakes in society but this doesn’t mean we stop teaching the values, stop having etiquette, stop having rules about decent living and respect for others. It means we look at how we could teach these things without beating our children. It means that we set laws which we enforce, not ignore. It means we take stock in our lives and think about our actions.

It means that no matter who you are, no matter your race, religion, social and economic status, you must take responsibility for your actions. You must take responsibility for the way you behave in society and how it effects other people around you. No excuses, no political stands to grab for a way out. You simply say, “I am responsible for…” the way my actions have effected others, or how I behaved, or what I said, or how my actions will impact the society that I live in. You simply take responsibility for your life and stop acting as if the world owes you something. You simply behave, dress, walk, talk, with self-respect. You take pride in who you are.

We should be an intelligent society right now making great strides in creating a universe we can be proud of. Instead we are an ignorant society that is ruining the world, taking advantage of others, making up our own rules as we see fit and dressing like a naked emperor because we can.

 

The Child of the Narcissist – Part Two

In 2011, I wrote the article The Child of the Narcissist and since this time, I have grown quite a bit as a psychotherapist and as a person surviving this type of parent. The reasons for this is that I worked on taking my power back from this person, in order to be able to help other people do the same thing. I also did this because I felt as if I were out of integrity as a therapist not being able to do so.  I still felt like a child around this person and, as a therapist, I needed to grow up personally to be a better professional.

I won’t be able to do a step by step plan in this circumstance because it really depends on who this person is to you. You know them. You know what it might take intuitively, so standing up to this person will vary. It is important though, for your own healing process, to not only understand what Narcissistic Personality Disorder is but to understand how to heal from this. How to move forward in your life without continuing to be a victim. So I am updating the original article here from a more mature, healthier perspective. You can read all types of pop psychology books that will make you more “in the know.” Reading these books will only give you tools to make you believe you can now diagnose this person and prepare you with a suit of armor. This is not healthy – to only read about them. It is important to read about how to heal from this parent and for you to become a healthier person.

One thing I want you to understand before you continue reading is that you are not changing the Narcissist here. You are changing yourself.

Firstly, focus on taking your power back from the Narcissist.

1) You have to stand up to them in whatever way makes sense with this person. Maybe you confront them head on (sometimes this can be dangerous though, especially if you are unprepared for the outcome. I know people who have been assaulted by the person as a result.) In my case it was spontaneous, without warning, somewhere deep inside of me I just snapped (unlike the TV show no one was killed or harmed in anyway). It helped in my case because the placater in the family stood up for me and the hero just remained aloof. Everyone else just stayed quiet. After this person (the Narcissist) threw a temper tantrum and saw they would receive no attention from anyone, it just ended right then and there.

I have also known people who stood up to their parent and the family abandoned them. This is something you have to be prepared for and reconcile this within yourself.

2) You have to set boundaries with this person and continue to set boundaries, and continue to set boundaries and continue to set boundaries.

3) Be prepared not to take the bait – there are going to be times when you are with this person. I have found that, in my circumstance, a long time passes without criticism and then out of nowhere I am hit with some strange comment, an insult, or some type of questioning that I know is going to lead to trauma in the family. I know if I am not careful answering this question, to deflect the intended result on their end, people will be hurt.

Example: Lets say you mention something to the Narcissist. You are with other family members, whom you said something about. The Narcissist says something out loud “outing” what you said. You are suddenly caught between a rock and a hard place.

In this type of situation you could get caught up in defending yourself, or you could just be honest. Yes I said that. Then you talk to the other family privately on your own, without the Narcissist in the room.

4) Work on detaching yourself from this parent or family member – You have to be in a place where you no longer need them or their nurturing. This means you get your mother/father from a surrogate. Find an elder or older friend that you look up to. It is also important to heal from these wounds by focusing your attention on yourself and building your ego.

This last part is the most important aspect of healing from the Narcissistic parent. You don’t think of this parent as being dead. You just don’t worry about what they say or do because you are not invested in gaining something from them. You know longer need them for validation, love, support. You have separated and individuated (become an individual separate from your parent) and are behaving like an adult now. This is very important because what I have learned is that until you are able to do #4, you will continue to behave like a teenager around this parent, no matter if you are 30 or 60. Until you individuate, (let go and mature) you will find that when you are around them you continue to act like a child.

Now that I have individuated from my parent fully, I find I am actually able to listen to them differently. Sometimes I actually learn something from what they say. Sure, there are moments, such as #3 above but I recover from this more quickly because I realize they have no power over me.

In 1980, I ran away from this mess and during this time lost an ability to grow with nieces and nephews, brothers and sisters. I missed out on so much simply because I could not bare being around this parent anymore. The emotional abuse was so overwhelming to me. I had a “parent” in California, where I was living for 30 years. This woman guided me, protected me, taught me, nurtured me and I was able to grow as a person. However, I returned to Ohio in 2010 because I realized, as a therapist, it was time to heal from the Narcissistic parent. I did not really understand this until I became a psychotherapist. I knew it would help me in my practice and help me to teach others as well. I was guided to this process intuitively.

*To understand separation and individuation a little more, here is Murray Bowen’s philosophy which I kept trying to read and understand in my graduate program, until I finally got it one day. It also helped that I worked with a clinical supervisor during my internship who focused on Bowen’s theory of family systems. (a selection from Wikipedia)

Differentiation of self

Differentiation of self is one’s ability to separate one’s own intellectual and emotional functioning from that of the family. Bowen spoke of people functioning on a single continuum or scale. Individuals with “low differentiation” are more likely to become fused with predominant family emotions. (A related concept is that of an undifferentiated ego mass, which is a family unit whose members possess low differentiation and therefore are emotionally fused.) Those with “low differentiation” depend on others’ approval and acceptance. They either conform themselves to others in order to please them, or they attempt to force others to conform to themselves. They are thus more vulnerable to stress, defined as stressor(s) and psycho-physiological “stress reactivity,” and theirs is a greater than average challenge to adjust/adapt to life changes and contrary beliefs.[7]

To have a well-differentiated “self” is an ideal that no one realizes perfectly because, like with Abraham Maslow’s concept of “self-actualization“, it is a concept without literal physical or material example. Even if total self-differentiation is achieved in a given moment or context, it is, like feeling states or thoughts, temporary and ephemeral. Those with generally higher levels of “self differentiation” recognize that they need others, but they depend less on others’ acceptance and approval. They do not merely adopt the attitude of those around them but acquire and maintain their principles thoughtfully. These principles, morals, and ethics help them to decide important family and social issues, and to consciously or unconsciously resist lapsing into emotional reactivity and feelings-based—-usually impulsive—-thoughts and actions. Thus, despite conflict, criticism, and even rejection, those with greater capacity to “self differentiate” can stay calm and rationally “clear-headed” enough to distinguish thinking rooted in a careful assessment of the facts from thinking clouded by emotion. What they decide and say matches what they do. When they act in the best interests of the group, they choose thoughtfully, not because they are caving in to relationship pressures. They’re more objective observers, more capable of calmness under relationship and task pressures. Confident in their own thinking, they can either support another’s viewpoints without becoming wishy-washy; or, they can reject another’s opinions without becoming hostile with them, or passively disconnected from them. This is especially relevant to the family of origin, and as we grow and develop maturity, also with extended family members, friends, or associates.[8]

Now on CD The Child of the Narcissist: Guided Meditations for Healing

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